Discussion?
In an effort to maybe put the blog to use beyond Seigs' (and my) pleasure reading and the occasional nopantser who actually reads the blog, I'm gonna try and start discussion.
The topic? 2-3-2 (2-4-1) zone.
Basically, I think that the A-team had a lot of confusion just on how to run this zone. It's very free-forming, which is very deadly potentially, though I feel like this also led to role confusion and bouts of ineffectiveness due to communication breakdown.
Let's get a more definitive set on this--first of all, how do we want to usually call it? I've heard arguements for having a "box" (two wings, two deeps) with a middle in the backfield, but also for a more traditional form with two wings, two middles and a deep.
I vote 2-4-1 for simplicity. Though if the roles are clearly defined 2-3-2 could be an effective second look.
Also, I think it'd be more effective if we have a (few) set strategy(ies) for how the two points and the middles should run the set. Sometimes it's run like a cup, sometimes it's more free-form--it changes as the O does to an extent, but having set looks--trap on the sideline with the off-point covering the dump, one middle/wing baiting a D on the far swing, and the other middle/wing(s) taking away the upfield looks with a wing taking any swilly hammers over the top, that sort of thing.
What're people's thoughts on this? I think there's a ton of potential to be tapped in this particular zone. If you don't care so much, say that too.
posted by Mackey @ 10:14 PM
4 Comments:
Yeah, communication is definitely key, though I feel like you could get it to a point where it's not necessary to say "hey, force korean now," and instead know beforehand that if the disc is in a certain position that the zone should shift accordingly.
But maybe that's too rigid. I just feel like there were times where we'd set something without great reasoning behind it and quickly get beaten on a throw around the wing or a huck etc. If there's more thought put into the zone beforehand I bet we'd see better success with certain looks for the zone.
Here's what one of my DoG teammates wrote me:
This probably isn't much help, but generally everyone behind you (as
one of the points) was simply covering a man as much as possible and
passing them off in an attempt to keep covering threats in their area.
Common offensive patterns I remember in the front wall had one or two
"popper" like players working the middle, who was covering the biggest
threat of the two and relying on one of the wings to cover the other.
There was a lot of switching here, and based on the position of the
disc, there was always a "weak" side wing who was usually dancing
between middle coverage and eyeing the cross field throws.
I'll tell you that this defense was developed only last year, and it's
success is somewhat a mystery. Mostly the D is to put two quick guys
with good disc instincts up near the disc to cover the thrower and
reset and get hardworking, heads-up players covering the 5 guys
downfield. It will be very difficult for a college team to implement
reliably (especially against a patient offense or a line with 5-7
confident throwers) since it relies so heavily on good zone instincts
- even for Dartmouth.
Good work, though, spreading the Gospel.
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Also, we call this zone Cabo. No #s. Just Cabo.
I do think we need to be more clear on the communication. Have key and understandable phrases to signify when the point should trap or when the off-point should go cover the dump.
I like "left shoulder, right shoulder" to tell the wings and deeps where their guys are. "Crash" if a popper comes way in past the middle-middle to get the disc. And "Left/Right" for the middle-middle to let him know when his main popper threat is...
Not better, just different.
If a team figures one out, we throw them something else.
It has a few advantages. One, it is something totally different from other zones, which may throw off teams that break a zone using one throw or sequence of throws. Secondly, there are only two guys in the cup, so it can work well against 2 handler sets.
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